With
an ever growing hip-hop scene in Utah, local DJ’s, performers and
labels are all starting to make a name for themselves, better than
some in more established areas.
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Since 2004, TML Records out of Salt Lake City has been putting out
albums and bringing on board some of the top local talent in hip-hop,
rap and reggae. Influencing artists across the board,
showcasing some of the best in local music, and even making their
presence felt on urban beat stations. I got a chance to chat
with label owner and performer DJ HandomeHands about TML, the local
hip-hop scene, his thoughts on the industry, and whatever else came
to mind.
DJ Handsome
Hands
http://www.myspace.com/themethlabbbeats
Gavin:
Hey man, first off, tell us a little about yourself.
Handsome
Hands: I'm originally from Las Vegas were I grew up and at an
early age exposed to Hip-Hop. In 1996 I moved out here to Salt Lake
City.
Gavin: I read you've been involved with hip-hop
since 1998. How did you first get into it and work to doing it for a
living?
Handsome Hands: Well I would always listen to
88.1 & 88.5 in Las Vegas. Those where our Hip Hop source stations
back in the day. I'd record DJ Warren Peace, DJ EQ,DJ PIZO mix shows
and listen to it all week 'til the next mix show the following
weekend. I was fascinated listening to the transitions of songs in a
mix. That's when I started to follow the DJ element of hip-hop. When
I moved here to Salt Lake, I'd hangout at local Hip-Hop store called
Funksions where I would watch DJ Brisk & DJ Kool Kel mix and
scratch. I used to buy mix tapes every week of different DJ's Like
Tony Touch, DJ Premiere, and my favorite DJ Marcus B. When I turned
18 I bought my first house then I got my first credit card. Then I
got my first set of Technic 1200 MK2's. I started to get into
turntablism buying battle records, then I started doing guest spots
with different DJ's back then mostly (DJ Kel Rock). He put me on
first at various clubs around town. He taught me everything about
ethics and business that's involved in being a full time DJ, in 2004
I got my chance with U92. I submitted a DEMO Mix and a day later I
got the call. Since then I've been A U92 All Star Mixer. I do Mix
shows, Remotes, and Concert Events. I'm a hustler with a passion for
music so everything I'm working on whether its Beats to DJing its all
career related. I'm a full time musician.
(DJ Scarecrow
and Demise The First)
Gavin:
The hip-hop climate has changed drastically over the past decade here
in Utah. Did you find it difficult keeping pace with it, did you feel
you were ahead of the trends, or did you just ignore it and did your
own thing?
Handsome Hands: Since I've been out here it
has changed a lot, but that's expected there is a different
generation now that's US! (TML). To be honest we are trendsetters as
far as for TML DJ's breaking records. I guess we ignored the trends
and went for the longevity, creating our own identity. We love making
music.
Gavin: How did the idea for starting TML Records
come about?
Handsome Hands: TML (That Mob Life) was
originally a graffiti crew that I started back in Las Vegas in 1995
In 2003 Scarecrow (DJ/Producer) Demise The First (Artist) and I
formed a crew that we called TML (The Major League, The Meth Labb) we
had no alliances we wanted to work together and create our own music.
So later in 2004 it became a Label.
(DJ Latu)
Gavin:
When you started putting it together, was it hard getting things in
order or did it all flow smoothly for you? And what were the
challenges you met along the way?
Handsome Hands: It
was difficult at times just like any other new company or business
emerging. We all knew little about the entertainment business. We
invested a lot of our own money into licensing, albums, equipment,
studio time everything that it took to create a Label. Funding was
our biggest challenge. We would set up shows to earn capital. Even
after shows it was never enough. So we made changes We pressed up our
own product which eliminated the manufacturing cost by nearly half if
not more. We felt independent!
(DJ
Chassis)
Gavin:
Did you put together your own recording studio for the label or did
you feel that was too much to do?
Handsome Hands: Haha!
We all had equipment it was just never together. We used to record
out of Scarecrow's shower with cables running through the hall to his
room where he had his monitors to mix and master. Most of our
artist's record in different locations around the city. The official
TML production studio is INCA Studios located in West Jordan. We do
our recordings and mix downs at that studio, Rich does most of our
engineering on our projects.
Gavin: For those who don't
know, who are some of the artists on your label?
Handsome
Hands: Artist's are Demise The First (Flagship Artist), Lump Sum,
Aaron Taylor, Charlie Soul, and Miles O'Keefe. Producers are
Scarecrow, Freshmaker, Apollo and Handsome Hands. And the DJ's are
Latu, Dao (TML DJ'S COORDINATOR), Stario, Chassis, Erockalypze, and
Handsome Hands.
(Lump Sum)
Gavin:
Seeing how you have your own label, can you share with us what it's
like looking for new talent and how you decide to add someone or
not?
Handsome Hands: I look for personality, work
ethics, musical background, work history, I do not care if you think
your the hottest artist right now. I really base my decision on your
attitude and ability to work with others. Then we vote you in or out,
it's that simple.
Gavin: Do you have a longterm goal
for TML to become more national, or is your main focus to stay
independent and keep it local?
Handsome Hands: Well it
depends. For TML producers & TML DJ's we are already making a
national crossover. Several of our artist have had potential deals
from Capitol/Sony BMG. As for TML Records, I'm keeping it independent
and local, plus it gives us more creative freedom being independent
and for the simple fact of its piece of Salt Lake Music
History!
(Miles O'Keefe)
Gavin:
A little on the local scene, how has it worked out being a hip-hop
label in Utah where the scene is primarily rock or
alternative?
Handsome Hands: It actually worked out to
our advantage due to the fact that we were one of the first hip-hop
labels out here, so I guess we're sort of pioneers in Salt Lake's
hip-hop scene.
Gavin: What's your opinion on the local
hip-hop scene, both good and bad?
Handsome Hands: I
like the direction the scene has taken no matter what genre of
hip-hop. In general it's all a great addition to the way the scene is
now. The only bad thing about the scene is the little beefs between
crews and shady club promoters. Another thing that makes it difficult
in hip-hop out here is the lack of unity within the scene. Some crews
seem to have ego's, everyone wants to shine but no one wants to help
each other out. That's one of the qualities that distinguishes TML
artists from the rest, we are willing to work with anyone. Even at
that we still have a solid scene.
(DJ Erockalypse)
Gavin: Same question, but instead on the entire music
scene in Utah.
Handsome Hands: Wow! Utah has evolved a
lot from the 90's, now days no matter what genre of music you're into
there is actually a source for it. There is a lot more concerts
coming out here, there are a lot more musicians emerging, the entire
Utah music scene has changed dramatically.
Gavin: Is
there anything specific you believe could be done to make it bigger
or better?
Handsome Hands: Going back a couple of
questions, there is a lot we could do to make this scene bigger and
better and that would be to let the ego's down and make great
music.
Gavin: U92 has done some limited mixing of local
hip-hop into their playlist. Do you believe it's helping the scene,
or do you believe it's making it feel more excluded?
Handsome
Hands: This is a really great question. I wouldn't say it's
making the scene feel more excluded, I would say it makes our scene
more exclusive. But for the most part U92 has come a long way, now
our #1 song for the last two and a half months has been a local
artist "Chino 4 Real".
(DJ
Dao)
Gavin:
Do you wish there were more shows, or even stations, like the Friday
Night Fallout, or do think things are fine the way they are at the
moment?
Handsome Hands: Things are fine right now at
the moment, this is a rock/alternative state and hip-hop is still a
fresh face in Utah. I don't believe it's time for more radio shows or
stations. What we have right now is just enough for our scene. Having
too much of one thing would cause a lack of value in the music, it
wouldn't be as exclusive.
Gavin: Most local hip-hop and
rap acts tend to play in venues that cater all forms of music. Do you
wish you had a genre-exclusive venue, or do you believe it's better
for the scene to have different sounds playing every night?
Handsome
Hands: I love the fact the hip-hop in Salt Lake has emerged out
of different venues, to me it's more exposure to different crowds.
It's basically broadening it's fan base. The best shows I've seen are
shows where hip-hop, rock and reggae artists both perform at the same
venue for different crowds. We are still at the point where people
are in constant search for certain music in certain clubs, so with
playing at a multi-genre venue this causes exposure to those
people.
(Apollo Molotov)
Gavin:
Expanding a little to mainstream, what's your take on the current
trends in hip-hop, both good and bad?
Handsome Hands:
To be honest mainstream hip-hop, besides the finger snapping toe
tapping ring tone flavor of the month, if you could get past that,
mainstream isn't so bad. In this generation there are so many
different genre's of hip-hop that people can relate to. I guess you
could say mainstream isn't so bad, the only downside of mainstream
hip-hop is the lack of substance and longevity. In a sense it's just
not the same as it used to be. I really feel for the few mainstream
artists that are out currently, the majority is basically killing
hip-hop. So see, it pays off to be independent but at the same time
it's not even music anymore it's just a business. That's what
prevents TML from being national, to us it's more music than
business.
Gavin: How do you feel about the current
downward state the record industry is in, and does any of it affect
you negatively or does it help you out?
Handsome Hands:
I've been waiting for this question. We all knew sooner or later it
was going to reach the state that it's currently in. I have nothing
against downloads, it means music is more accessible. The way I see
it, if someone downloads my entire mix tape or a Demise album and
burns it for everybody on their block that just means more exposure.
Our money usually comes from merchandise and shows.
(DJ
Stario)
Gavin:
To expand on file sharing, what's your take on it both as an artist
and as a label owner?
Handsome Hands: I'm all for file
sharing, I'd rather have 10,000 fans that download our music
illegally, that would just mean our music is just that hot that
everybody would want to download. So with that said, Limewire and
Bearshare our music all you want, but at the same time come and
support our shows!
Gavin: Currently, what albums does
TML have out right now? And what are you working on at the
moment?
Handsome Hands: As far as TML artists we have
Demise The First: Party 'Til You're Broke, Rocky Mountain Standard &
Live. Lump Sum: The Grudge, Building Billions, & Richie Valenz.
Atwun: The Aaron Taylor Album. Charlie Soul: Soul Sides. Then we have
our TML DJ's, DJ Handsome Hands: 63's and Palm Trees, Alice In
Wonderland, Underground Beatdown Volume 1 & 2, Yay Area Volume 1
& 2, Baby Mama Mix tape (classic), currently working on The
Casino Mix tape. DJ Dao: TML Radio Volume 1 & 2. DJ Erockalypze:
The I-Phone Mix tape.
Gavin:
What can we expect from you and the label the rest of the
year?
Handsome Hands: There are several projects
currently in progress, the long anticipated release of Miles O'Keefe
(first album), a new Demise album and an array of mix tapes from TML
DJ's.
Gavin: Anything you'd like to plug?
Handsome
Hands: Hi Mom! For more info be sure to check out our MySpace
page
where you can find our upcoming shows, club nights and current
projects. Big shout out to KPD, The Ghost, Big Fedi Records, Blue
Collar Theory, Mindstate, Bad Apples, Roots Rawka, and anybody else
that is responsible for making the scene what it is today. Oh and a
big shout out to DJ Kool Kel, without his knowledge and guidance I
wouldn't be the DJ I am today.